Mafia VI: Day Two (Sept. 10-12) Dazed and Confused

[Sem]

It appears that you all have come out relatively unscathed for this first night!

I know, I'm disappointed surprised too.

However, there was an attempt on Yoshimitsu's life last night. He got away, but only barely. It seems as if there was a missing mafioso last night when the attack took place. If all of them had been present then surely this would not have happened and dear Yoshimitsu would be dead. Yoshimitsu will need to rest up a bit. He can still vote, but any special role he has, if any, is blocked for tonight.

Where was the missing mafioso? What were they doing? Or *ahem*, perhaps the better question is "Who were they doing?" Perhaps our resident night worker was busy making friends last night?

Oh dear, oh my, oh goodness. This is an interesting turn of events, isn't it, little fleshlings? Tread carefully now. And thank goodness you're all still alive... >.>;

[Yoshimitsu]

-dodge-

Congrats El!

I hate to put myself out there, but I can't just sit by and be silent the whole game, right? And so I'm gonna have to put the spotlight on Sho. I don't know if we can use chat evidence or not, but the last time I was there he threatened to lynch me when I left for the night. Maybe it was a slip of the tongue or maybe he was just...being Sho. Either way it attracted my attention and is still nagging at me.

So El got saved by the Lady or Lord. So their knowledge could prove useful. Anyway Sho sounds like he was just having chat banter but I expect that from Shiny not Sho. So he is worming his way into my suspicions even further. Mafia seems to want rid of quiet ones whereas Sho had vocal ones on his hitlist, so I think the bigger veterans like Katie may be the Mafia due to me thinking that is how they would think to get rid of people. So my top 3 suspects minus Sho are Katie, DS and Brendan because Red, Tan and Rich played more tactical with taking out influential people and threats and they made us do townie lynches whereas no attempts were made at lynching which suits the quiet game plan. So they were the ones who were wanting to abstain so they suit the profile, I suppose that puts me under suspicion as well due to me abstaining first but I was the one who tried getting evidence but it wasn't a well enough standard to warrant lynching. I dunno if any of that made sense as late night/early morning thinking + phone typing isn't a good combination xD

[Yoshimitsu]

Riley is clearly the Lord of the Night or whatever because he wants my babies.

Red is still alive, so Mafia I am not :P

Even though I've said it countless times(which you could eventually twist to be a ploy), if I actually was Mafia, Red would be dead either during the day or night of the very first Day. I have and always will consider him either a major threat or a great ally, depending on my current knowledge of his role. Were I Mafia and he not on my family, he'd immediately pop up as someone I need to get rid of, and fast.

Thankfully for you guys, I'm not Mafia. I simply can't be Mafia. While it's true that I've yet to be Mafia in any game, Fate has lovingly spared me yet again from having to kill you lovely people~

I never said that I wanted to take out vocal people. I said I wanted people to be vocal so that we could actually get somewhere with a discussion. The good news is that we know El's not Mafia. The bad news is that we're still pretty much where we were when the game began. Having El as a fellow townsperson is quite helpful, as it narrows down the list of possible Mafioso~

Me, Lord of the night don't make me laugh, El.

If people are going to stick with the theory Sho is Mafia either he is with Red or they are the couple. I'm going to wait until Red replies before putting both of them in the spotlight or disregarding them for now.

I don't particularly see the logic behind Riley's reasoning. On one hand, you think I might've been made Mafia because you consider me a veteran. Of course, you weren't around at the time, but the only time I've ever been a Mafia- The first game I was in- My game plan wasn't to stay quiet. Far from it. xD

I don't harbor suspicions for Sho at the moment, but he is a very crafty player so I'm not dismissing anything as of yet!

Red is still alive, so Mafia I am not :P
Even though I've said it countless times(which you could eventually twist to be a ploy), if I actually was Mafia, Red would be dead either during the day or night of the very first Day. I have and always will consider him either a major threat or a great ally, depending on my current knowledge of his role. Were I Mafia and he not on my family, he'd immediately pop up as someone I need to get rid of, and fast.

Except that wouldn't be a smart move for you if you were mafia. A smart mafia doesn't necessarily nuke the biggest threat immediately--especially if it'll attract attention. For example if Red were killed, people will automatically think "SHO DID IT LET'S LYNCH HIM" so why even go there? That faulty reasoning only makes me more suspicious of you.

Oooh, so somebody got laid hard last night? We have 2 lucky bastards today. Anyway, I guess this means that the Lady/Lord of the Night now knows who one of the Mafia is. I didn't even know putting one member out could overthrow an entire murder. And now we are all together a day later to murder people.

Also Sho. We know you and Red hate each other, one eating at the other is a fairly obvious move, that's why I doubt that you would target him so early, as Carmen said. If Red was targeted last night, I personally would have put it as a ploy to get you framed. But he isn't dead, so that's why I don't trust you yet. You're digging a hole here Sho.

[Linkachu]

(Gah. I was writing my post and had to take a lunch break, and Brendan/Carmen replied before I could finish. You guys made some of my argument re: Sho redundant! D:

Oh wellz. I'm too busy/lazy to change anything, so deal with it! XD)

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Mafia seems to want rid of quiet ones whereas Sho had vocal ones on his hitlist, so I think the bigger veterans like Katie may be the Mafia due to me thinking that is how they would think to get rid of people.

I hate you people. XD

Before this Mafia game started Red was suggesting that people lynch the quiet players. Sho, Belle, and several others were in on this as well, myself included. If you're going to target me for that reason you may as well target every chat regular. That pretty well leaves us right where we started aside from El not being mafia. And for the record, the one time I actually was Mafia I took out Brendan first turn because I viewed him as a threat. ;p

I'd say I find you suspicious, Riley, but it'd just come off as revengeful. :P Even so, I stand by my decision to abstain. Thanks to us abstaining and El's lucky break we've lost nobody. If I'm going to vote for someone then I'll vote for someone I think actually is Mafia, not someone who sort've-kinda seems like they could be but mostly likely isn't. I wouldn't even target Sem last game for that same reason! I play to win. Whether I'm alive at the end doesn't matter so much if the townies win overall. What about yourself?

Moving on... Let's talk about Sho. Every game I target Sho as being Mafia because of his bold statements, and every time I end up being wrong. He always plays vocally. That said, I don't buy his argument regarding why he can't be Mafia because I don't fully believe it's true. Why kill your most obvious target day 1 and bring suspicion onto yourself? Most seasoned players won't do it. Red certainly didn't last game, and that kept him alive. (D:<) It's a rather weak defense, Mr. Sho, but again... It's these sorts of comments that often make me question Sho's allegiance when he's actually innocent. :x

Red on the other hand... I await his response.

Nobody else I find overly suspicious, and Dark Soul especially is playing it pretty safe. A good bluff, or genuine innocence? I'm not yet sure. Waiting for more replies before going further.

It's genuine. xD

Moving on... Let's talk about Sho. Every game I target Sho as being Mafia because of his bold statements, and every time I end up being wrong. He always plays vocally. That said, I don't buy his argument regarding why he can't be Mafia because I don't fully believe it's true. Why kill your most obvious target day 1 and bring suspicion onto yourself? Most seasoned players won't do it. Red certainly didn't last game, and that kept him alive. (D:<) It's a rather weak defense, Mr. Sho, but again... It's these sorts of comments that often make me question Sho's allegiance when he's actually innocent. :x

It's quite true. Ever since Game 1, I've done this. The only logical reason I can give is that it's my way to prove my innocence. I can't just say "I'm not Mafia!" because it doesn't hold any weight. Most of my arguments I've made throughout every game I've played have been strongly explaining my points...but I also mention what is wrong with my accusations. It shows I'm well aware that such vocality is likely to get my lynched either by the townsfolk or the Mafia.

But we can't get through this game without taking a few losses, so at the very least, I try to make as much of an impact as I can so that in the case of my death, the townsfolk will have a decent amount of evidence to use(either being things I've said to accuse people, or what people have said to accuse me).

I'm also not too good at waiting games, so making it all the way to the end would be quite difficult for me. Luckily, in order to win, all I would need are my fellow townsfolk to make it through, even just a small handful. Yeah, that's pretty cold of me to rely on others for my victory, but that's also what we have to do to take down the Mafia(albeit, we can't just sit back and let others do the work on that one). We all have a different playing style, and we have to constantly adapt and slightly shake up what we'd say based on what everyone else says.

I've never been the cautious player. I've been straightforward, so much so that you question both my morality and later yours when my death comes. Very, very bold move on my part, almost to the point of stupidity, but hey. It gets results.
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Right, now to actual accusing and such.

I'm suspicious of Riley, if only for being overly-suspicious of me |D

I don't believe I was there when that game plan was announced D:

But anyway I was hoping finding incredibly petty and obscene reasons to accuse everyone and put the occasional good word about myself would let me fly through but I was wrong. Damn you all ;D

Now it looks like I've screwed myself over and have to defend myself now. Which I hate doing as my logic is usually so flawed it is never taken seriously and it makes me look suspicious. If I was Mafia which I'm not I would have been a lot quieter because I know I would talk too much and give myself away. I also would have gone for people like Red so I could frame the likes of Sho essentially taking out 2 birds with one stone. I wouldn't have gone for El as he seemed more of an open target anyone could have killed him so I couldn't frame people. I think we need to figure out who in terms of general friendliness are the closest to El, and we will make a path to finding the Mafia.

You seem to have put in a lot of thought into what you'd do if you were mafia, Riley. I don't believe that this game warrants a game plan, nor should be taken so seriously that one is indeed developed. Not only that, you have told us precisely who you'd kill and who you'd frame for the kill. I'd say you're trying to divert attention away from yourself. I will, however, wait for replies from others before pointing the finger.

But be wary, Riley. If Red kicks the bucket, I'm calling you out.

I feel so honored that nearly half these posts mention me in some capacity. :'D

I'm also not too good at waiting games, so making it all the way to the end would be quite difficult for me. Luckily, in order to win, all I would need are my fellow townsfolk to make it through, even just a small handful. Yeah, that's pretty cold of me to rely on others for my victory, but that's also what we have to do to take down the Mafia(albeit, we can't just sit back and let others do the work on that one). We all have a different playing style, and we have to constantly adapt and slightly shake up what we'd say based on what everyone else says.

This, Sho my dear, is where you and I differ greatly. You want your side to win, whereas I couldn't care less about my side winning if if means I die. So long as I am alive and playing I will do my damndest to kill every last person that is standing in my way of winning, but the moment I die I really don't care who wins. Mainly because I am filled with rage when people make stupid mistakes and miss things, but that's another rant for another time.

Now, onto today. My two main suspects at the moment are Riley and Sho. Nothing too strong, but they have just been the oddest thus far. Also, the whole "I'd kill Red if I was Mafia" argument is stupid (not to mention some idiot is going to kill me to try to frame you guys. It nearly happened last game so I had to get a lynch wagon for Sho going. Seriously, how did you not suspect me, Katie?!). I used that same ploy last game with Katie being my "biggest threat" and I made it a principal of my game to keep her alive as long as possible. You don't kill of the good players unless you fear they are getting close. If they're unaware, keep them around as other people will listen to them.

There are still quite a few people who need to post today, so I'm waiting to see what they have to say for now.

Eheheheheheh what a wonderful day, everyone <3

Yeah, no. Let's get to it.

It is easy. And by easy, I mean seriously easy for mafia members to sit back and say nothing, and then post the occasional excuse and get by. If you look to the last mafia game, I consistently said I only really had access to my phone so please let me live pretty please. And it was so nice that everyone did :'D

So, so easy. Let's take a moment to look at our hitlist.

*Tangrow
*Sir Red
*Belle
*Shocari
*Rileyixx
*Luckii
*Dark Soul
*Linkachu
*Yoshimitsu
*Mr.RMA
*Brendan Savem
*Carmen Lopez
*NidoRich

These are our players. How lovely! Except not, since we'll jump on each other in a moment's notice. Now, we're looking for mafia members, right? So let's take another look here.

*Tangrow
*Sir Red
*Belle
*Shocari
*Rileyixx
*Luckii
*Dark Soul
*Linkachu
*Mr.RMA
*Brendan Savem
*Carmen Lopez
*NidoRich

I have now removed Yoshimitsu. Now, with Yoshimitsu, that makes thirteen members. How unlucky. I hope we change that. I'll make the assumption that the mafia team is three people, because two feels small, and four feels too big. So, you know, odds are we hit a townsperson. And that's okay! Except, we keep hitting them, and hitting them, and hitting them, gutting for the generally louder people, say Sho, every time over others.

I hear all the time that you're waiting for them to post, but then they don't, and you forget they exist after a while because they haven't really posted! And they're really not going to, because it gets so, so, easy. Obviously making them talk doesn't suddenly make them not mafia, but it seems to slide rather often.

I suppose what I'm getting that is not about calling quiet people out, but what I do mean, is don't forget them. They are certainly there and they are playing this game, whether or not they say they are busy, odds are they check this thread and scroll through. I know I have.

You might say it's unfair to vote because they haven't posted yet, but I can say it's unfair to vote for somebody vocal because they have just been trying to actively play this game. It is so very, very easy.

So let's point fingers a little bit longer before we get down to voting, okay? Like so, I'm rather miffed with Arma for his generally inactive forms <3 But on the same hand, I'd rather not go for Riley! He seems rather flustered, instead of doing what a mafia person may /if/ he was. I dunno!

These are our players. These are our killers.

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Okay guys thanks for reading have a nice day <33333

[Yoshimitsu]

This, Sho my dear, is where you and I differ greatly. You want your side to win, whereas I couldn't care less about my side winning if if means I die. So long as I am alive and playing I will do my damndest to kill every last person that is standing in my way of winning, but the moment I die I really don't care who wins.

Apply this logic to real life and it's how serial murderers are made.

Mwohohohohoho.

(Okay that one was kind of a stretch for humour, shush)

But on the same hand, I'd rather not go for Riley! He seems rather flustered, instead of doing what a mafia person may /if/ he was. I dunno!

Someone sort of defending me don't know if that will be a blessing or a curse.

Alright, well, I'd like to think Riley a possible mafioso, namely due to his suspicions being placed on veterans for the sake of their experience, as well as that whole "if I had done it" defense which seemed, as Luckii said, simply to be an attempt to divert attention away from himself.

However, at the same time, I can't help but get a little suspicious of Sho as well, if only for the fact that it seems he's really trying to bank on his innocence via his similar style of play from earlier rounds where he was a townie, and the fact that Red wasn't the one targeted by the Mafia this time around.
Just a theory here...couldn't Red and Sho both be in the Mafia? There's more than one baddie out there, after all, and there's the possibility that the two are simply pretending to be at opposing ends of the argument in order for the rest of us to believe that one of them has to be completely innocent, and the other must be undeniably guilty. In that case, if one were to die, and be confirmed Mafioso, the other would, more than likely, be in the clear for the rest of the game. This could work out with both of their play styles as well: Red would be certain that Sho be the one lynched, so that, in the end, he could survive and win the game, not at all concerned about his teammate's demise being part of the cost, and Sho, on the other hand, would benefit from either his or Red's survival, as he just wants his side to come out victorious. Whether that's a good idea, or even a possible one, there's also another issue I have. We can't just assume that, if Sho is a Mafioso, that he can just target anyone he wants. The group would have to come to a decision among themselves, and his choice could've been overruled by the majority's decision. Because of this, Red not being the attempted kill can't just be the absolute deal breaker.

So, those are my thoughts at the moment, for once more than just a repetition of someone else's arguments. As of now, between the two mentioned above, Sho seems slightly more suspicious to me than Riley.